I have a question

Post by **Dameon** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 8:47 pm

Score one for Al!

Underdog · Post by **Underdog** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 1:43 pm

Sure Ben I'm game I am currently clanless so it will be no big deal.

NOW, Underpants, if you could read you would see that I wrote that Calidunce would need to form his own new clan not join another collection of losers. Now if you would like to try to fit me with cement shoes for my insolence I wear a size 11. Make sure they are comfortable. Personally I doubt there is anyone in your clan who could get them to stay on long enough to get me to water but at least they would have them handy just in case they get a chance to use them.

Undertaker · Post by **Undertaker** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 4:51 pm

Oggy Doggy wrote:...Calidunce would need to form his own new clan not join another collection of losers.

As opposed to the collection of losers he was last with?

We could always change our name to "the First Family featuring that ex-CON Calidus". Thus, a new clan is born!

Post by **Dameon** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 10:00 pm

Careful Taker you might want to reconsider renaming your clan, there are those who would try to make you give up all the VPs TFF has in Clan Kaohalla if you do that!

Post by **gm_al** » Sun Feb 01, 2004 12:27 am

.... those - like YOU, Nick ?

Yeah, score two for Al.

ZED · Post by **ZED** » Sun Feb 01, 2004 5:57 pm

Well I'll pay hell for opening my mouth here, but that seems to be the only thing I'm good at so...

The Circle of Nine was a really cool name I thought, and it sounds like a really good clan is being born, so why screw it up with square of 144
I mean really, what is that? Sorry to see The Circle Disbanded, I almost asked to join that clan

Well you know more than me... Good Luck and Aim Straight

Bjorn · Post by **Bjorn** » Sun Feb 01, 2004 6:35 pm

Perhaps I have ignored this thread for too long......

The WSC should really consider setting some ground rules for resurrecting a disbanded clan. Ar-Sereg was always a special case, as Dameon declared it inactive, not disbanded. It was always listed as such in Clan Kaohalla. We all assumed that he would one day find the energy to restart it. The fact that he decided to change the name at that time is the controversial part. That is the other thread.

To go back to the theme of the thread (I have a question), are we going to set some ground rules for the reactivation of the existing disbanded clans? If Dark Monk wanted to restart Dark Stone, or Calidus wanted to restart Circle of Nine, I doubt if anyone would complain. This is because they were the founder of those clans. But now that Al is clan head for Disciples of WOK, does that mean no one would complain if he decided to combine Dark Stones VPs with DoW? Probably. I know I would object, but I can't really explain why.

The question is simple, the answer is not. Who, if anyone, has the authority to resurrect a disbanded clan?

The floor is open for debate.

Post by **Dameon** » Sun Feb 01, 2004 6:48 pm

Don't be silly Al of course I wouldn't object, that would be hypocrisy at the highest level. So, you are still at one.

In regards to clans, my opinion is if a clan is disbanded (or inactive), then only the founder of the clan, or the current clan head, may restart the clan and/or change the name. Al could never claim the DS points for DoW, and I can give a specific objections. Basically, because when DoW was founded DS was still an active clan, and as such any claim to the DS points would be spurious. Now, if DoW had been founded by Al -after- DS was disbanded, then I don't see why the DS points could not be attributed to them if that was Al's intent. My intent was always to revive Ar-Sereg after the clan/GM rule wsa abolished anyway, and that I changed the name simply reflects the new structure and ideas behind VO.

Bjorn · Post by **Bjorn** » Sun Feb 01, 2004 8:24 pm

If a clan is disbanded, there is no current clan head by definition. I, for one, cannot remember all the clan founders.

Did Kaomaris have clan council at one time? I vaguely remember that. Perhaps we need some kind of Clan overseer that has to approve this sort of thing. We have discussed that before as well. Someone to check on the active clans to ensure a minimum of four active members. Decide on these sort of issues. Let me see if there is anything in the clan rules about this. I have not read them in some time now.

Validon · Post by **Validon** » Sun Feb 01, 2004 11:57 pm

Who you calling a loser Undertaker?

Lot's of good players from CoN still playing the game!!!

Why wouldn't a player be able to bring back one of the old clans if everything is still intact. If Underdog were to want to bring back CoN why couldn't he? Or Gravemaker? I would think that people would welcome the old clans back into action as long as a respected player were to try and bring one back. Rules definately need to be made about forming clans so there isn't any confusion on how it is done or any threads started complaining about it either.

Post by **Duke** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:08 am

Just read the entire thread and you people must be eating some funny mushrooms or something 'cos it is REALLLY hard to follow the logics that you go by.

First of all, I thought the square of 144 was 12 but that is just me. Perhaps the rules of math changes south of the Baltic sea?

Second, I dont get the problem. If Nick desperately wants to hang on to some dusty old points he earned waaaaay back then that is more his problem then anyone elses. Most of us know when he got those points and most uf us know that Vahn McMahon...no....Vince Ohtar? Wee Moffats? well you know, "them" hasnt got all that many yet.

And sorry TK, Al got you there, despite being Austrian

Lowebb · Post by **Lowebb** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:42 am

Isnt it great the way Dameon can engineer a conversation to ensure that his method is AAAAALLLLLLWWWWAAAAAYYYYSSSS the right way. I'm not interested in discussing who, where, when what way it is allowed for the reforming of a clan, I am here to point out the errors of dameons flawed reasoning, and to be fair, score 2 to AL

Just a number of other weekend away issues,

ZED: 1/Square of 144 began as a joke but the more I think about it, the more I realise......
2/Kaomaris is all about 'great clans' good guys, bads guys, honour, nobility, etc etc. Someone want to tell me whats would be wrong with setting up a clan who are all in it for a laugh and to enjoy themselves? Lets be honest here, being in a clan that has a tendency to take the p*ss out of Dameon would certainly make my day

DUKE: 1/I understand sqaure of 144 is 20736, so I think you mean sqroot, which is indeed 12. I didnt pick 144 for.....well any particular reason, I seen circle, I thought square and 144 is a nice number

Post by **korexus** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:45 am

"Sqroot"?! Sounds like you've been using excel a lot or something.

But yeah, he's right. The Square of 12 is 144 so the square root of 144 is 12. Although I seriously doubt anybody didn't know that...

I guess we do need some rules on the reforming clans stuff. Glad I'm not on the WSC...

korexus.

Post by **trewqh** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:54 am

WSC this term is just a bunch of lazy conservatives! They voted on three thigs (2 of which were not extremely important) and that's it.

... Wait! Ain't I on this term's WSC?....

I am.... so.. it means I'm a lazy conservative....

I guess it does!

trewqh

Saladin · Post by **Saladin** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 1:01 pm

Yeah, you lazy bums!

When do we get to vote them off?

ZED · Post by **ZED** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:37 pm

Believe it or not, I thought of twelve- the square root of 144 twelve. kinda like a player who has always worn nine, and when going to a team where he can't have that number, he'll pick 81, or 72= his number of nine.

but, I didn't think you had twelve players: which going from nine to twelve would be the lame story for the change ( I quote )... and I understand the humor in it also. maybe yarosund will change the balance of time to the
Atonement of 2100!

ZED · Post by **ZED** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:23 pm

what? did i end this party too?

Post by **trewqh** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:07 pm

Don't worry, I don't think it was you, although to be frank, I didn't understand your previous post

trewqh

Underdog · Post by **Underdog** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:13 am

Thats ok Zed it took the circle awhile to get to 9 members. we started with 5 or 6 I don't remember and stayed there for awhile before we got to 9. I believe if Ben is really planning on starting this up he could get enough players to join to make it official anyway. I am still waiting to hear from him on this as I would definitely we willing to join. He started shortly after I did and I have enjoyed playing with him before.

ZED · Post by **ZED** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 10:11 pm

Well, my previous post, I assume, is that Atonement of 2100 thing

by the way, I thought it was kinda funny

anyway atonement, for those who do not know, is a synonym for
balance (verb) and 2100 for those who do not know military time, is
Nine P.M. so the joke is the balance of time should change to atonement of 2100, because the circle of nine, is becoming the square of.... oh i don't know, now i'm confused...

this is.. who am i?

The Worlds of Kaomaris

I have a question

and to now open my mouth