Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:00 pm
Most of me doesn't exist already cause of the "mishap" when attacking Nesty...so I would say all of me won't exist soon.
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There is a point to me breaking this NAP. The point is, be careful who you call a NAP breaker. By calling the Scholars NAP breakers, you include every one of us. If you want to call someone a NAP breaker do it, just be careful who you include.Allister Fiend wrote: Is that the only way you guys can win is by breaking NAP's?
TK wrote:That doesnt explain why you've been working on my spycode for what, 5 turns?
We have a clan alliance. Do you guys think that the most powerful spy op is allowed in an alliance?!?
It also throws a different light on the "mishap" when you attacked me earlier. Was it really an accident?
And you wonder why people call you NAP-breakers? In the last 2 weeks, Xarfei has broken 2 NAPs (one by accident, I admit), and now the two of you have orchestrated a massive double-alliance-break.
If you had a problem with someone calling you a NAP-breaker, attack that person. It is no justification for attacking me. Do not try to sound righteous here.
Its pretty sad that this is the only way you guys can win. If I knew winning was so important to you, I might be a little more generous.
Wow Nick, those kinds words ... they usually don't get associated with the First Family. Though that is our style, go figure.Dameon wrote: ever since joining TFF you've played the straight and narrow
"Working on it" (by which I guess you mean finding it?) may be OK, but running it certainly is not OK. Korexus brought himself into this by running my code. You just dont do that in an *alliance*. It is like spying every province that someone owns!!Raw wrote:You're telling me that working on a spy code is breaking a nap? That's a bunch of BS.
Also...don't bring Korexus into this, he didn't know that I was going to attack you.
Prove a point to who though? Me? You already said that it was nothing to do with me, just that I was the "lucky recipient".Raw wrote:I did this to prove a point, not to win.
Oh ... I understand how that feels. Though you may not remember such an insignificant bit of history, TK.TK wrote:I simply find it hard to believe that I "just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time". I am sure you understand how I feel.
Running a spycode may not be directly aggressive but still breaks even the simplest of NAPs. "No spying" is a basic NAP term, and running a spycode is the most serious of spy ops!korexus wrote:I really don't believe that in doing so I was being aggressive. I had no plans of attacking you, as I explained in person I was mainly curious and I had the orders spare.
...and then I would have asked you (as my ally) to show me the data, and you would have been unable to! But this is beside the point...korexus wrote:Bear in mind that the only reason that you know I ran your spy code was because you asked me whose I ran and I told you. If I'd thought you'd consider it a NAP/alliance break, I could have just lied and said it was Fredos...
Nonsense! Raw and I have worked together to take down Dameon and Nesty. In the meantime, at least 3 of us have cast spells on BoV. We WERE in an alliance.korexus wrote:Also, this entire game hasn't really had the feel of an alliance to it. I suggested 'possibly a clan alliance' before turn 1 and nothing more was said about it, so you may be stretching a point just a touch there...
If you say so...TK wrote:Running a spycode may not be directly aggressive but still breaks even the simplest of NAPs. "No spying" is a basic NAP term, and running a spycode is the most serious of spy ops!korexus wrote:I really don't believe that in doing so I was being aggressive. I had no plans of attacking you, as I explained in person I was mainly curious and I had the orders spare.
As it turns out, the "coincidental" running of my spycode most certainly IS aggressive!!
Or I oculd have said I meant to try a spycode and made a typo, or I could have said I'd run Raw's code to worry Donut, or I could have said I'd tried someone before me in the OOP but they'd changed it, or, or...TK wrote:...and then I would have asked you (as my ally) to show me the data, and you would have been unable to! But this is beside the point...korexus wrote:Bear in mind that the only reason that you know I ran your spy code was because you asked me whose I ran and I told you. If I'd thought you'd consider it a NAP/alliance break, I could have just lied and said it was Fredos...
Spy Ops damage EFF, so there's already a reason why you shouldn't do them without needing to look any further... Also, I remember an article you wrote from the library explaining how when you spied on a player you had a NAP with, you spied from a province which neighboured several players so it was harder to know it was you. Maybe you're just reaping what you sow...TK wrote: By your reasoning, any spying is OK so long as your spies are not detected! Breaking NAPs is OK so long as the other players dont find out? I wonder if your clan agree with you there... Saladin?
You and Raw worked together but players work together to take down somone else pretty often without there being an alliance. I cast spells on Fredo, on my own. Mainly for the fun of it. You and Raw have cast the occasional spell on Donut, but it was hardly a concentrated or coordinated attack. Allister refused even to respond to my request to let me through him to get at Massie and thence Donut, even though he had a week to do so and was active on the boards at the time...TK wrote:Nonsense! Raw and I have worked together to take down Dameon and Nesty. In the meantime, at least 3 of us have cast spells on BoV. We WERE in an alliance.korexus wrote:Also, this entire game hasn't really had the feel of an alliance to it. I suggested 'possibly a clan alliance' before turn 1 and nothing more was said about it, so you may be stretching a point just a touch there...
1-0 to the alliance keeper.korexus wrote:If you say so...
I did say this was beside the point. But if you insist...korexus wrote:My point is I could have lied...
Are you just listing the worst arguments you can think of?? I expected better from you...korexus wrote:I remember an article you wrote from the library explaining how when you spied on a player you had a NAP with, you spied from a province which neighboured several players so it was harder to know it was you. Maybe you're just reaping what you sow...
They do, but when the chain of events goes like this...korexus wrote:You and Raw worked together but players work together to take down somone else pretty often without there being an alliance.
These "points" you are making are getting worse!korexus wrote:Allister refused even to respond to my request to let me through him to get at Massie and thence Donut, even though he had a week to do so and was active on the boards at the time...
That was after Gaz broke the NAP and attacked Allister. But again, it has no bearing on the current game.korexus wrote:I remember a couple of times as we discussed the champs game, you said that if you'd been in AF's position, you'd just break the NAP and attack Gaz.
This doesnt even dignify a response.korexus wrote:Could it be that you haven't really changed your NAP breaking ways as Nick thinks and just haven't had the opportunity recently? If so, maybe you're not so annoyed that Raw backstabbed you, but that you didn't backstab him first...
Although his opinion is obviously respected, I didn't know that Saladin would speak on behalf of the whole clan.TK wrote:I wonder if your clan agree with you there... Saladin?
Not at all Bryk. Good to see you back and active!Brykovian wrote:(Apologies to korexus and Raw for not keeping out of it ...)
Well i would say spying in wok 4 is an aggressive act. Looking for a spy code in wok 5 isn't an aggressive act. running a spy code i would consider that pretty agressive yeah.TK wrote:By your reasoning, any spying is OK so long as your spies are not detected! Breaking NAPs is OK so long as the other players dont find out? I wonder if your clan agree with you there... Saladin?