kaobase says GMT but engine uses "PDT"?
Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:02 am
Hi Lardy, trewqh, Hryll and Chris,
I shared a glitch with Chris by e-mail the other day in one of the lobo games I'm GMing, and asked whether my way past it would work, and went on to suggest a correction/change. (I realise, now, that Chris is away this weekend, no problem).
As it's a suggested change, I then remembered that I'd better use this new, better way of proposing changes and getting views and a vote. Good idea.
The kaobase allows you to adjust the deadline under a heading titled "Next Turn (GMT)". I used it, but the turn ran 7 or 8 hours early, way ahead of what I'd told the players, and only 3 out of 8 had orders in yet ... So I'm having the nightmare of re-running a turn ...
I suspect that the title says GMT, but the engine uses PDT, whatever that is (Silicone Valley?).
My proposal is that we make the two match. And that they match on GMT rather than PDT. I guess THAT is therefore the big proposal: that we switch all to be consistent on GMT. At least for now, while most active players are UK-based, or at least not using PDT, which probably helps no-one, not even the Americans we have, who are maybe on EST rather than this PDT?
Not absolutely vital - I could go back to always using PAUSE and pressing RUN TURN when the right deadline is reached, but this means repeating to the players to IGNORE anything it says at the bottom of the gamepage as to when the next turn is due, and ignore any autogm reminders that say a turn is due to run in the next 24 hours, etc.
Below is the text of my mail to Chris.
Han
Hi Chris,
How are you?
Turn 6 of my Water-Crossing (#433) ran 8 hours early, and only a couple of players had orders in. I think I can sort it, but would like to check:
I immediately went to Edit-Province Data, and turned every prov to 0, so that the map would show blank, and copied and deleted the commentary, so that no-one would be misled into using the map from T6. And told them to ignore their TR.
Now, when players DO have their orders in, I want to re-run T6 as if this wrong T6 run never happened.
1) If I press Re-Run, the engine will run T6 again, yes? It will go back to use the start-of-turn data from after T5, yes? Just as if the wrong T6 hadn't ever run? And it won't matter that I just changed the "wrong" T6 prov-data into all-neutrals, I don't need to switch them back, since they are edits of the "wrong" T6 that will be over-written?
2) And, for nap-counting purposes, it will therefore obviously call this new turn "T6", right?
3) The kaobase next-turn-time-setter is headed "Next Turn (GMT)". I suspect the problem is that it actually uses PDT...
Can we make it use GMT? And I think that then, bottom of game page will be in GMT? So should have its text changed to say so, to match? After all, the current players are about 30 brits, incl you, me, Lardy, Hryll, Bloodaxe, Kryptus ... and Soma and misiolak and another recent sign-up are also via LBGC and therefore London. Plus a Norwegian, a Pole, a couple of Australians, a couple of Americans and a few I have no idea. So GMT would be easier for most people most of the time? As it says in the kaobase?
Cheers,
Bob
PS, can you let me know asap on (1), even if you want to think about (3), so that I can run the T6 on time?
I shared a glitch with Chris by e-mail the other day in one of the lobo games I'm GMing, and asked whether my way past it would work, and went on to suggest a correction/change. (I realise, now, that Chris is away this weekend, no problem).
As it's a suggested change, I then remembered that I'd better use this new, better way of proposing changes and getting views and a vote. Good idea.
The kaobase allows you to adjust the deadline under a heading titled "Next Turn (GMT)". I used it, but the turn ran 7 or 8 hours early, way ahead of what I'd told the players, and only 3 out of 8 had orders in yet ... So I'm having the nightmare of re-running a turn ...
I suspect that the title says GMT, but the engine uses PDT, whatever that is (Silicone Valley?).
My proposal is that we make the two match. And that they match on GMT rather than PDT. I guess THAT is therefore the big proposal: that we switch all to be consistent on GMT. At least for now, while most active players are UK-based, or at least not using PDT, which probably helps no-one, not even the Americans we have, who are maybe on EST rather than this PDT?
Not absolutely vital - I could go back to always using PAUSE and pressing RUN TURN when the right deadline is reached, but this means repeating to the players to IGNORE anything it says at the bottom of the gamepage as to when the next turn is due, and ignore any autogm reminders that say a turn is due to run in the next 24 hours, etc.
Below is the text of my mail to Chris.
Han
Hi Chris,
How are you?
Turn 6 of my Water-Crossing (#433) ran 8 hours early, and only a couple of players had orders in. I think I can sort it, but would like to check:
I immediately went to Edit-Province Data, and turned every prov to 0, so that the map would show blank, and copied and deleted the commentary, so that no-one would be misled into using the map from T6. And told them to ignore their TR.
Now, when players DO have their orders in, I want to re-run T6 as if this wrong T6 run never happened.
1) If I press Re-Run, the engine will run T6 again, yes? It will go back to use the start-of-turn data from after T5, yes? Just as if the wrong T6 hadn't ever run? And it won't matter that I just changed the "wrong" T6 prov-data into all-neutrals, I don't need to switch them back, since they are edits of the "wrong" T6 that will be over-written?
2) And, for nap-counting purposes, it will therefore obviously call this new turn "T6", right?
3) The kaobase next-turn-time-setter is headed "Next Turn (GMT)". I suspect the problem is that it actually uses PDT...
Can we make it use GMT? And I think that then, bottom of game page will be in GMT? So should have its text changed to say so, to match? After all, the current players are about 30 brits, incl you, me, Lardy, Hryll, Bloodaxe, Kryptus ... and Soma and misiolak and another recent sign-up are also via LBGC and therefore London. Plus a Norwegian, a Pole, a couple of Australians, a couple of Americans and a few I have no idea. So GMT would be easier for most people most of the time? As it says in the kaobase?
Cheers,
Bob
PS, can you let me know asap on (1), even if you want to think about (3), so that I can run the T6 on time?