The Worlds of Kaomaris

Posted: **Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:18 pm**

In this thread I intend to record the outcomes of Duel games along with the numbers of games played by players and such. Rules of who's better than whom are still a work in progress. If someone wants to suggest a formula or anything they are welcome, but to cut any discussion on how 'fair' these standings might be I'd like to accentuate that this is my thread and the standings are in no way official. This thread shows the effect of my work which I decided to share with the community.

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                        FULL DUEL TABLE

#   |Player name  |played|won | lost | ratio |  LEV  |W-L | RAT
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 1.  | Hannibal    | 8   | 8   | 0    | 100%  | 1.889 |  8 | 96
 2.  | Trewqh      | 9   | 8   | 1    | 89%   | 1.800 |  7 | 88
 3.  | Duke        | 5   | 3   | 2    | 60%   | 1.500 |  2 | 55
 4.  | korexus     | 3   | 2   | 1    | 66%   | 1.500 |  1 | 53
 5.  | Saladin     | 3   | 2   | 1    | 66%   | 1.500 |  1 | 53
 6.  | Ultyguy     | 1   | 1   | 0    | 100%  | 1.500 |  1 | 51  
 7.  | Yondallus   | 1   | 1   | 0    | 100%  | 1.500 |  1 | 51
 8.  | Celerian    | 1   | 1   | 0    | 100%  | 1.500 |  1 | 51
 9.  | Egbert      | 2   | 1   | 1    | 50%   | 1.333 |  0 | 35
10. | Calidus     | 2   | 1   | 1    | 50%   | 1.333 |  0 | 35
11. | Lardmaster  | 2   | 1   | 1    | 50%   | 1.333 |  0 | 35
12. | Vortan      | 3   | 1   | 2    | 33%   | 1.250 | -1 | 28
13. | Brykovian   | 3   | 1   | 2    | 33%   | 1.250 | -1 | 28
14. | Aussie Gaz  | 4   | 1   | 3    | 25%   | 1.200 | -2 | 24
15. | Dragonette  | 5   | 1   | 4    | 20%   | 1.166 | -3 | 22
16. | Hryllantre  | 6   | 0   | 6    | 0%    | 1.000 | -6 |  6
17. | Tinker      | 1   | 0   | 1    | 0%    | 1.000 | -1 |  1
18. | Jen         | 1   | 0   | 1    | 0%    | 1.000 | -1 |  1
19. | Bloodaxe    | 1   | 0   | 1    | 0%    | 1.000 | -1 |  1
20. | Tbert       | 1   | 0   | 1    | 0%    | 1.000 | -1 |  1
21. | Nemesis     | 1   | 0   | 1    | 0%    | 1.000 | -1 |  1
22. | Lord Fredo  | 1   | 0   | 1    | 0%    | 1.000 | -1 |  1
23. | Tigress     | 1   | 0   | 1    | 0%    | 1.000 | -1 |  1
24. | Eagle Eyes  | 1   | 0   | 1    | 0%    | 1.000 | -1 |  1


ratio = won/played 
LEV = level = 1 + won/(played+1)
RAT = rating = 99 X won/(played+1)  + number of games played
W-L = won - lost
Ties on same Lev/Rat are ordered by played,then head-to-head,then recency.

So far I have taken into account:
1. GM Chris' Duel #4: Feudal, Hannibal beat trewqh in May 2006
2. GM Chris' Duel #2: Skandinavia, Hannibal beat Eagle Eyes in October 2006
3. GM Han's Duel #6: Duel of Skulls, trewqh beat Hryllantre in January 2007
4. GM Chris' Duel #5 Suburbia. Hannibal beat Hryllantre in January 2007
5. GM Han's Duel #10: Original - the rematch, trewqh beat Hryllantre in January 2007
6. GM Mike's Duel #8: Water Crossing, Hannibal beat korexus in January 2007
7. GM Han's Duel #11: Pentabots, Brykovian beat Hryllantre in February 2007
8. GM Han's Duel #12: Austria, Calidus beat Lardmaster in March 2007
9. GM Mike's Duel #20: Verus Vertical, korexus beat Calidus in June 2007
10. GM Chris' Duel #12 Battle Kent's Ponce Penta, Saladin beat Vortan in June 2007
11. GM Han's Duel #15 Suburban Mayhem, trewqh beat Saladin in June 2007
12. GM Chris' Duel #11c - Penta Bryk vs trewqh Duel, trewqh beat Brykovian in June 2007
13. GM Han's Duel #25 Homelands, trewqh beat Dragonette in June 2007
14. GM Mike's Full Duel #21 Suburban Struggle, Lardmaster beat Tigress in June 2007
15. GM Han's Duel #19 Cross Island Aussie v Saladin, Saladin beat Aussie Gaz in July 2007
16. GM Han's Duel #28 Skandinavia Duke v Lord Fredo, Duke beat Lord Fredo in July 2007
17. GM Han's Full Duel #31 Three Worlds Hryll v Vortan, Vortan beat Hryllantre in July 2007
18. GM Chris' Duel 13 Forest Lake trewqh meets his Nemesis, trewqh beat Nemesis in July 2007
19. GM Han's Full Duel #30 Water Crossing, Celerian beat Dragonette in August 2007
20. GM Han's Full Duel #34 Feudal Fury trewqh v TBert, trewqh beat Tbert in August 2007
21. GM Mike's Duel #33 Three Worlds, hAnniBaL beat Vortan in August 2007.
22. GM Han's Full Duel #38 Suburbia, Tinker beat Dragonette in September 2007.
23. GM Mike's Duel #35 Homelands, hAnniBaL beat Duke in September 2007.
24. GM Han's Full Duel #32 Skull Islands, Duke beat Aussie Gaz in September 2007.
25. GM Han's Full Duel #42 Gardenic, Duke beat Bryk in September 2007.
26. GM Chris' Duel #14 Penta, Dragonette v Bloodaxe., Dragonette beat Bloodaxe in October 2007.
27. GM Han's Full Duel #45, Forest Lake, Duke v Egbert., Egbert beat Duke in October 2007.
28. GM Han's Full Duel #41, Skandinavia, Yondallus v Tinker, Yondallus beat Tinker in November 2007.
29. GM Duke's Full Duel, Feudal, TDC Group C, korexus beat Dragonette in November 2007.
30. GM Yon's Full Duel #43 Feudal, Hannibal beat Aussie Gaz in December 2007
31. GM Han's Full Duel, Crossland, TDC Group B, trewqh beat Egbert in December 2007.
32. GM Mike's Full Duel, Penta, TDC Group D, Aussie Gaz beat Jen in January 2008.
33. GM Duke's Full Duel, Forest Lake, TDC Group C, Hannibal beat Hryllantre in March 2008.
34. GM Han's Full Duel #46, Skull Islands, , Ultyguy beat Tinker in March 2008.

Full Duels currently in progress:
GM Han #31 Full Duel, Skandinavia, TDC Group B, Nemesis v Duke.
GM Han #37 Full Duel, Feudal, TDC Group B, Duke v trewqh.
GM Mike Full Duel, Center Island, TDC Group D, Lardmaster v Aussie Gaz

Remaining Full Duels scheduled as per Duke's TDC (after pull-outs):
GM Kor to set up TDC Group A, TBert v Ultyguy.
GM Duke, or other, to set up TDC Group B, korexus v Hannibal.
GM Duke, or other, to set up TDC Group B, korexus v Hryllantre.
GM Han to set up TDC Group B, trewqh v Nemesis.
Then the knockout stage that Duke had in mind when he set it up.

You can also arrange one-off friendlies, outside of the TDC tournament, but still counting for this table.

The table is quite volatile. Eg. if, say, TBert played again and won, he would rocket up to 9th place. Win again and he would leap to fourth or third. Just an example.

A new player who won, would leap into 6th place.

Please let me know if you know of any results I missed. Thanks.

Last update 2008-03-22 [by Han, with permission from trewqh]

Posted: **Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:44 pm**

This could come in very useful. Currently we when have been playing games we have allowed the 'challenger' to decide which set of three provinces to have. All very gentlemanly and in the spirit of enjoying the game, but as Duel gets more popular deciding who the challenger is gets harder. If we take the lowest person from trewqh's table we can keep this very nice feature...

/Realises he just posted in favour of a rating system.

/

Chris.

Posted: **Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:49 pm**

korexus wrote:/Realises he just posted in favour of a rating system. /

Gotcha!

Duels don't give you VPs, so why not have such a table. It's not like it makes anything obsolete or doubles the function of anything.

Anyway, thanks for the thumbs up!

Posted: **Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:04 pm**

Can we add one final column? - (games won - games lost). This statistic would probably be the fairest way to rank players - someone who has played one game and won it would not suddenly shoot to the top of the table - and while people who play lots of games will tend to drift away from 0, this will reflect their higher experience.

Obviously this is not totally fair, but it's a lot simpler than, say the chess ranking system which would be the logical thing to use if we cared that much!

Chris.

Posted: **Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:26 pm**

Sure I can! And I did!

Posted: **Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:50 pm**

Last update 2007-04-11

Some of the games finished after 2007-02-10 might not have been included yet. Please, contact me if you know of any results I missed, because I don't have time to do data mining.

Posted: **Fri May 25, 2007 4:40 pm**

I just beat Vortan

Posted: **Fri May 25, 2007 5:54 pm**

This is a Hall of Records of Full Duels only, sorry. A separate Hall of Records for Duel Lite games will appear at some point, but, actually, I have 10 days left to hand in my diploma thesis so I'm not really thinking about that now.

Posted: **Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:39 pm**

Okay well I know the thesis is done and gone so WHERE is the DUEL-LITE listing????? Cos I am now one and one having beaten Dragonette and should be going 2 and 1 shortly (only a formality really - only Saladin after all

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Posted: **Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:40 pm**

Vortan wrote:WHERE is the DUEL-LITE listing?????

It's on my to-do list.

I didn't say I'd do it once my thesis is ready.

Three exams ahead. Rather than WoKing I should be studying historical grammar and memorizing the differences between the major varieties of English

Posted: **Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:49 pm**

Oh well ... and this now feels like swearing but I suppose you have to put real life first ... Eww no ... *spits* ... were is the soap so I can wash my mouth out.

I can tell you the difference between major forms of English. We, that is the English populace speak REAL English, the aristocracy think they do but sound like total idiots ... what was that old bean?

... and then there are the Yanks, Canadians and Aussie's all of which seem intent not just on independance but also on murdering both the spoken and written word. There are SO many words they spell incorrectly it is shameful.

Posted: **Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:14 am**

Last update 2007-06-13

Please, let me know if I missed any finished Full Duels. Better yet, report the results of your Full Duels here. Thanks!

Posted: **Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:23 pm**

Saladin v Vortan - Chris Duel 12 - Penta Map

I regret to inform you that Saladin triumphed (sigh)

Posted: **Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:58 pm**

Thanks for reporting, Vortan!

Vortan wrote:I regret to inform you that Saladin triumphed (sigh)

He got lucky, right? I mean if he was any good, he wouldn't have chickened out from our Duel...

Posted: **Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:32 pm**

Did you count my (incredibly lucky) win against Calidus?

I'm guessing you did, as it was your game but I need to grab every point I can!

korexus.

Posted: **Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:34 pm**

That's no. 9 on the list of games taken into account.

Posted: **Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:03 am**

Last update - today.

With more games being added the list becomes less and less easy to read. I experimented with typographical tricks to improve that. My favourite solution is illustrated by the two entries at the bottom of the list. Comments and suggestions are welcome.

Also, according to Han's suggestions, I added the month when each Duel ended and a mention about currently running Duels. (Thanks Han!)

It would be greatly appreciated if GMs or players reported Duels that started here in case I miss some of the threads on the boards. Thanks in advance!

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:19 pm**

Ahem. The duel game between me and Tigress finished some time ago. You were the GM Trewqh so update already!!!!

Oh and get rid of teh game from my lobby, it's clogging things up

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:55 pm**

Hi LM, congrats on your win. Beating Tigress is no mean feat. Hard luck, Tigress. I hope you both enjoyed Duelling.

LM, it's only been a day or three, and the reason it is still clogging your Lobby, asking you for orders, is probably that it stays listed in "Running Games" for a while before it descends out of sight into "View Old Games". This was deliberate. It's so that any watchers can see how a game turned out; I think we settled on it staying around in "Running Games" for 10-14 days for anyone to marvel at it and see how you won; insytead of having to remember it was happening and have to go search in "Old Games" for it.

I hadn't seen it as a problem myself: I just ignore the games my Lobby tells me it wants orders from me for if they're over, until it stops asking when the game descends into "Old Games". But maybe it's clogging.

LM, I'm guessing you agree that it's worth the GM leaving the game as "Finished" but still in "Running Games" for 10-14 days, so that people can see your win

Kor, maybe we (you!) could code it that once "Finished" appears, the players no longer get it in their lobby as "Submit orders" ? Or, if it's easier, a way for players to edit out in their lobby? Either would do fine?

Han

Posted: **Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:09 pm**

Ah ha!

Han, I know why you don't have a problem with it ... your never in enough games at once for it to be a problem

LM is in ... err ... how many is it LM?

The Worlds of Kaomaris

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