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Post by Donut » Sat Aug 16, 2003 1:38 pm

Like I allready said, I'm sorry about the misunderstanding. I don't keep records of all the emails I send. The one you quoted is mine.
How does your incompitence make it ok for you to break your NAP with someone? I surely hope that you find a much better way of keeping track of your NAPs in the future. :roll:
So it is my mistake to do the spying. But that was all I did. I did not attack you beforehand.
:shock: :shock:
What's your point? Breaking our NAP is breaking our NAP. Specifically in our terms was "No Spying". You not attacking me means nothing after you broke the NAP. I fail to see why you don't think it's important that broke our NAP. This makes you untrustworthy, and saying that you didn't do the worst thing possible is just plain ridiculous. :x
As for compensation; the fact that you missed the turn sort of cancelled that out.
WHAT? Me missing the turn has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with you, and you breaking our NAP. If anything you are lucky I missed the turn. I made a mistake but it doesn't cancel anything about you breaking the NAP. :?
I also messed up my attack orders this turn, my armies would have been in nr 25 now.
What's your point? :roll:

Lastly, this is all a lot of noise about a small matter.
I guess that's the way you see it but don't even think about trying to form a NAP with me in any future games. It's obvious you don't hold them important and will not hesitate to break them.
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Post by Mylantis » Sat Aug 16, 2003 2:17 pm

Wow, I get the impression that a few members of DOW just don't care how they are viewed by the community. I'd have to agree with Donut, "this alot of noise about a small matter" seems like you take this acusation kinda lightly. NAP breaking is very serious no matter if its attacking or spying.
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Post by Donut » Sun Aug 17, 2003 5:09 pm

Your enemy is Player Griffon
You face 103 Armies with a Level of 1.768
You have 76 Armies in the Province with a Level of x.xxx
The Defenses of the Province are x.x Points

...YOU HAVE DEFENDED YOUR PROVINCE # 25 !
The level of your 32 Armies is raised by x.xxx to reach x.xxx
:shock: :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ok, that shocked me enough. Then I see this
Your enemy is Player Moridin
You face 118 Armies with a Level of 1.530
You have 32 Armies in the Province with a Level of x.xxx
The Defenses of the Province are x.x Points

...YOU HAVE DEFENDED YOUR PROVINCE # 23 !
The level of your 12 Armies is raised by x.xxx to reach x.xxx
:shock: :shock:

My first large scale clash, I would say not bad......

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Post by Lord Fredo » Sun Aug 17, 2003 9:11 pm

:thumbsup: Way to go Donut :!: Kicking it in the mornings and taking names in the evening, eh? ;)

The workings of a true brother it would seem. :)

Keep up the great work Donut. The infidels will pay for their wrongdoings.

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Post by Underdog » Mon Aug 18, 2003 2:43 am

boy would I like to see the level of those 12 armies after those 2 battles.
I would think it would be bettert than if they had 125 workers on LEV for a turn.
221*.003=0.663
I guess those are some armies nobody wants to mess with in the near future.

Also I suspect Al and Massilita might want to discuss diplomacy with their newbies.
NAP breaking can lead to alot of problems in this game.
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Post by trewqh » Mon Aug 18, 2003 9:13 am

Well, the only other Disciple that is active on the boards is GMing the game. I think Al doesn't want to mess into this because of that.

Underdog, you didn't take Donut's losses and draws into account but, shhh, don't make it easier to our adversaries. :twisted:

Just you wait till turn 12! This is when I go into action!

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Post by trewqh » Mon Aug 18, 2003 8:54 pm

Look what I found! It's all there and it's all true.
trewqh wrote:
Warped Angel wrote:We'll see whos Still around to talk the smack 10 turns from now. :argue:
Well... let's see... uh. So it's gonna be:
ME 8) ,
most likely my clan mate - Donut (great avatar btw),
the ones that I have long term naps with,
and any survivors from the ongoing conflicts.
:devilish:

Yep. Check back after 10 turns with this post. :deal:

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I guess I will accept the invitation, Egbert. You know, I will need some tips from the Champ to figure out what to do to have a good start in this group.

Awful position and OoP :x

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Post by Underdog » Mon Aug 18, 2003 11:14 pm

yes I realized that right after I posted it but decided to leave well enough alone. The point was made and I was waiting to see who would mention it first.

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Post by Warped Angel » Wed Aug 20, 2003 8:47 pm

Trewq, with all this YAK coming out of your mouth I sure hope for your sake you manage to win THIS game. cuz if you dont theres sure to be a BIG plate of crow for you to eat.
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Post by trewqh » Wed Aug 20, 2003 10:08 pm

But you will still like me, won't you? :mrgreen:

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Post by gm_al » Thu Aug 21, 2003 8:26 am

WOK6 coding and RL issues have put me back - I will run the Turn tonight, sorry for the delay folx.

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Post by Brykovian » Thu Aug 21, 2003 11:43 am

gm_al wrote:WOK6 coding and RL issues have put me back - I will run the Turn tonight, sorry for the delay folx.
Somehow I think the "RL issues" have something to do with Queen Pea saying "Are you *still* in front of that computer!" in just the right tone ... ;) :D

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Post by trewqh » Thu Aug 21, 2003 9:32 pm

Griffon has just confirmed that he is a lousy nap-breaker!

My nap with him and Moridin was to last until turn 12. That is why I wasn't able to help out Donut. But he, on the other hand, had nothing against bombing (and most likely spying on) me this turn (10). Here's a quote form my TR:

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YOUR PROVINCE # 10 IS BOMBED !! You have a chance of 6 % to detect the Source.
Your Spies couldnt locate the Source of the Bombing...
 17 Missiles are used in the Attack !
MISSILE # 1 KILLS x ARMIES !
MISSILE # 2 KILLS x SPIES !
MISSILE # 4 KILLS x DEFENSES !
MISSILE # 5 KILLS x DEFENSES !
MISSILE # 6 KILLS x DEFENSES !
MISSILE # 7 KILLS x DEFENSES !
MISSILE # 8 KILLS x ARMIES !
MISSILE # 9 KILLS x TECH POINTS !
MISSILE # 10 KILLS x TECH POINTS !
MISSILE # 11 KILLS x DEFENSES !
MISSILE # 12 KILLS x DEFENSES !
MISSILE # 13 KILLS x ARMIES !
MISSILE # 15 KILLS x ARMIES !
MISSILE # 16 KILLS x TECH POINTS !
MISSILE # 17 KILLS x DEFENSES !
The provinces that the attack could have come from belonged to Griffon and Donut. I am sure it wasn't Donut's mistake because he had no missiles in 7 and 8.

I wonder what Moridin thinks about all this.

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Post by Polymorphic » Thu Aug 21, 2003 10:07 pm

Ouch.
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Post by Moridin » Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:16 am

Whoa... I don't believe it :shock: I think Griffon deputized someone else from DoW to play this turn, but I have no idea what the heck happened. I'm really speechless.
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Post by Donut » Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:27 am

Regardless of what happened, it happened. A misunderstanding once with the terms of your NAP with me was, while unexceptable, a misunderstanding. But now that you have done it twice... It's completely out of the question that either of you will probably ever get a NAP with our clan again. I know I'm steppin out on a limb to speak for our whole clan like this but I will be making my case soon to come to a vote to have you declared a mortal enemy.

I wish that there was a decent enough Emoticon to display my dissappointment in both of you.

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Post by Moridin » Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:44 am

I certainly understand, and I don't mean to make any excuses for that bombing as I don't understand it myself. As you said, what's done is done.
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Post by gm_al » Fri Aug 22, 2003 8:22 am

Even as GM of that game, I need to speak up here.

BUTCHER replaced GRIFFON for this Turn. I thought you all knew about this one.... at least I got a mail that explained he was looking for a deputy, and I was expecting he would inform anyone else really.

BUTCHER jumped in and immediately sent in orders. I think he didnt know anything about any NAPs, or maybe he misread it.

I cant really say who is to blame for this, but Im sure GRIFFON will explain the situation once he returns.

Now we dont want to have DoW be seen as the 'NAP-breakers', certainly not. Even with being the bad guys in WOK. :?

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Post by Brykovian » Fri Aug 22, 2003 12:24 pm

To take this discussion down a different path for a sec ... if a player uses a sub for a game they're in, I'd expect them to inform the GM (which appears to have been done in this particular game) ... and then I'd expect that the GM would inform everyone else in the game.

As a GM, I do that ... I wonder if other GMs and players feel the same way.

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Post by gm_al » Fri Aug 22, 2003 12:47 pm

Well it seemed quite clear that he other Players were informed (at least from my point of view).

* The mail sent by GRIFFON was, if I remember right, addressed to a lot of Players.
* he wasnt sure if he was going to have time to do orders or would need some replacement for a turn or two
* Orders came in right after he told me he would be leaving soon (so I thought 'ahh he made orders before he leaves')

Only when I saw here what happened I realised that something did go wrong.

I apologize to the Players if I was the source of some missing informations.

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