Orphaned games this season

Post by **trewqh** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 6:08 pm

I would like someone to answer these questions:

How many turns did Paul's 2 and 3 and Dom's 5 last?

Did GMC have access to either dat files or TRs for those groups when they awarded VPs?

My intention isn't to question the verdicts. Just want to know how it was handled.

trewqh

Saladin · Post by **Saladin** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 6:57 pm

I can't comment on Paul's 02, but Dom's 05 was decided by the GMC after they had looked at all the turn reports of the remaining players.

Post by **Dameon** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 8:19 pm

I don't recall specific game numbers, but if Paul's 2 was the Europe map the GMC also decided on that case. I believe that one and Dom's are the only two cases we looked at for the current season.

Post by **ThinKing** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 9:20 pm

Paul's 3 was the Kal-Amin (swamps?) game.

What are you driving at Trewqh? I dont want to list everything I can remember about these games...!

TK

Post by **trewqh** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 9:48 pm

I know what these games were:
Paul's 2 was WW 2 X-game
Paul's 3 was Kal-Amin Swamps X-game
Dom's 5 was Slaughterhouse X-game

If anyone knows the answers [to the questions in the first post of this thread] please post them here.

Thanks Sal.

trewqh

Post by **ThinKing** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:13 pm

trewqh wrote:How many turns did Paul's 2 and 3 and Dom's 5 last?

Did GMC have access to either dat files or TRs for those groups when they awarded VPs?

WW2 Europe lasted ages. They were down to 3 contenders, and as it was a WOK5 game, there were 3 VPs to give out. 1 each was the obvious decision. I believe the players voted unanimously for that. If the game had continued, one of those players would have probably been double-teamed. I think Dameon and Raw were two of the players there.

Kal-Amin was split between Bjorn and AF I think (though I am not sure at all). They were by far the 2 strongest players as I recall, and got 1.5VP each.

Slaughterhouse was a tough decision. I think only about 5/6 turns had passed, but already only 3 players had any fight left in them (remember - this game had far fewer provinces). We only had 2 VPs to award, and there were 3 strong players - Raw, AF, and Eg. After looking at the turn reports we decided to split the VPs between Raw and Eg.

Now Trewqh, what are you really interested in?

TK

Post by **trewqh** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:57 pm

Thanks for the answers Thin King.

Thin_King wrote:Now Trewqh, what are you really interested in?

I found a link to GM Gun's 1 orphaned game. But asking the GMC to resolve it would be asking way too much in the light of how the previous situations were handled.

trewqh

Raw · Post by **Raw** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:59 pm

Pauls 2 was not an X-Game to my knowlege, it was a regular WOK 5 game. I am pretty sure we were about 14-15 turns into it.

Doms 5 was a WOK 4 X Game 5 turns were completed. The reason VP's were awarded was that the map only had 40 prov's which shortened the game considerably. (spelling?)

Cheers,
Raw

Post by **korexus** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:20 pm

trewqh wrote: I found a link to GM Gun's 1 orphaned game.

Jeez, that game had only run about 3 turns hadn't it? Massie died, Covenant was going down but I don't think there was much difference between the rest. It'd be impossible to judge that.

*Thought hits.*

Weren't you in that game, trewqh?
Does anyone want to open a pool as to who had the highest score when the game was abandoned?

~korexus.

Post by **trewqh** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:33 pm

korexus wrote: Jeez, that game had only run about 3 turns hadn't it? Massie died, Covenant was going down but I don't think there was much difference between the rest. It'd be impossible to judge that.

You're right. That's why I never asked the GMC to do it.

korexus wrote: Weren't you in that game, trewqh?
Does anyone want to open a pool as to who had the highest score when the game was abandoned?

You saw right through me, Sherlock! How did you figure it all out?!

trewqh

Saladin · Post by **Saladin** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:37 pm

Lol, score plays no part in such a decision as score doesn't take in to account the level of somebody's armies.

Post by **korexus** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 8:20 pm

trewqh wrote: You saw right through me, Sherlock! How did you figure it all out?!
trewqh

Well, I spend a lot time that should go towards studying looking at WoK games instead. And for some reason I find it much easier to remember games than maths...
Also, I'd have tried exactly the same thing if it were me!

korexus.

Post by **trewqh** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 8:24 pm

korexus wrote: Well, I spend a lot time that should go towards studying looking at WoK games instead. And for some reason I find it much easier to remember games than maths....

Same here.

korexus wrote: Also, I'd have tried exactly the same thing if it were me!

You VP greedy Scholar!

trewqh

Post by **trewqh** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 9:17 am

Saladin wrote:score doesn't take in to account the level of somebody's armies.

In WOK 4 it does, for sure. Just checked that.

trewqh

Saladin · Post by **Saladin** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:23 am

I'm quite sure it doesn't...maybe Al can tell us?

Post by **trewqh** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:27 am

I used the WOK 4 Manager to check that. You have that tool too, so you too can check that it does.

Just start a new group, memorize scores for two players and then, for example, take away 1 army from each but lower the level for only one of them. You'll see that although you took away 1 army from each, changing their level will cause different score changes.

trewqh

Post by **gm_al** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:45 am

Yes, level is part of the score calculation, I will confirm that.

Players tend to misinterpret score a lot. Its a (weighed) sum of all your possessions.

A score of 2.000 could well mean you have a low number of armies at high level, lots of basic-level armies or no armies at all (but tons of workers and POP/missiles)

You never know....

PS: even EFF is taken into the calculation.

Saladin · Post by **Saladin** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:03 am

A new day and another thing learned.

Though if it does show in the score personally i feel it doesn't show enough, but that's ok with me...the bigger the surprise will be for my victims.

Underdog · Post by **Underdog** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:01 pm

personally I think Pop and Workers are bigger factors in score.
But I will tell you 1 thing if you do nothing but send off 200 missiles your score will take a serious hit

Post by **trewqh** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 7:29 am

Underdog wrote:personally I think Pop and Workers are bigger factors in score.
But I will tell you 1 thing if you do nothing but send off 200 missiles your score will take a serious hit

Well, I THINK, it's not really a question to have a personal view on...
Just run your Manager and figure it out. It's not that hard with WOK 4 (not sure about WOK 5 yet).

trewqh

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